), However, I do sometimes have a feeling that ones position on the lumper-splitter continuum may have more to do with Myers-Briggs types than the rigorous intellectual analysis one likes to ascribe to oneself , he always reacts by saying that all this shows is that Mande (or Dogon) was a very early branch, split off before those features had actually developed. Manessy had the right idea about comparative work (and his work remains valuable) but he was working with extremely scanty materials much of the time and also made several fundamental methodological errors. Im fascinated to learn from the Khoisan article that there were Khoisan-speaking itinerant hunter-gatherer/blacksmiths. Its not as crude as early lexicostatistics. Genius or mad? Igor M. Diakonoff (1996) subdivides Afroasiatic in two, grouping Berber, Cushitic, and Semitic together as East-West Afrasian (ESA), and Chadic with Egyptian as North-South Afrasian (NSA). This greatly increased the number of changes that had to be reconstructed for each branch, therefore made the branches longer, and therefore inflated all reconstructed ages. Whatever the truth of that, tilting with Chabu and Kadu is his effort to take these issues head on, attacking the proposed isolates himself. Now the verbal system, thats more of a challenge worthy of a Starostin ), Are Kehf and Kelif cognates, or different terms that both happen to be applied to this site, because these arent typos. This population potentially introduced the Y chromosome haplogroup J1 into the region (Chiaroni et al., 2010; Lazaridis et al., 2016). Contamination from *du- Neither means fish outside of Arabic. Ossetian / (ksalg/ksag), and (kf) for big fish. I already wanted to mention it here when DM wrote: Actually, if agriculture reached North Africa as part of the same expansion out of Anatolia that brought agriculture to Europe, and AA reached it later in a pastoral expansion, that would explain why some of the agricultural-substrate words in western Indo-European branches also show up in Berber.. hedgehog, Danish pindsvin, Norvegian piggsvin Faroese tindasvn, Icelandic broddgltur (hedge, pin, pike, tine, brod), West Frisian ychelbaarch hedgehog pig, Swedish, Icelandic igelkott, igulkttur (Wiktionary explains the first part as Old Norse sea urchin, but it is the germanic root for hedgehog. Nick Jainschigg And their method is incapable of discovering any.). LBG (Lexikon zur byzantinischen Grzitt = Lexicon of Byzantine Greek) Its not a hen.. Thats not the part that astonished me, only the rest if it as far as I know, the common understanding is that Semitic spread into the Levant and Mesopotamia from the South. (b) only two of these literal dozens of classes have affixes which look plausibly related to anything in Gur beyond sheer chance: the highly semantically-marked human and liquid classes. But it is no different from mitochondrial Eve. Every dataset is a matrix of hypotheses. Journals that size have hundreds or thousands of (largely unpaid) editors who decide on acceptance & rejection, In some ways, these were a solution looking a problem. You might find the frozen rabbit alongside frozen whole squid, rattlesnake, or maybe even goosebut not more conventional poultry like chicken or turkey (or probably even duck). He divides Erythrean into Cushitic, comprising Beja, Agaw, and East-South Cushitic, and North Erythrean, comprising Chadic and Boreafrasian. According to his classification, Boreafrasian consists of Egyptian, Berber, and Semitic. Maybe its for the best, then. There is no consensus among historical linguists concerning the original homeland of the Afroasiatic family, or the period when the parent language (i.e. Mande syntax is both weird and strikingly well maintained in its weirdness throughout most of a pretty diverse family, but that has no bearing on the wider genetic relationships of the family at all. Goat is probably reconstructable for Proto-Volta-Congo, though this is uncertain (it depends on the reconstruction of a stem-final consonant, and I can currently find no other example for the correspondence at that level.). Im not sure if expansion from post-Bantu Kenya is the most felicitous way to describe the Indian Ocean slave trade. , . . Different points of departure underlie claims about universals in language acquisition. According to Hamalainen (The Comanche Empire) horses gradually diffused in the American west only after the Pueblo Uprising of 1680, but it didnt seem to take long for the Comanche and Dakota to develop their versions of the nomad lifestyle. first century AD, and late enough to be influenced by the Greek alphabet) and, through the particular Aramaic script used by the Arab Nabateans, to the Arabic writing system (ca. We did not know death until the Vikings brought their devastation. But it is easy to see where this can lead to a wrong result. In northern Canada and Alaska theres another, larger species called the sheefish or inconnu. In Oman/Yemen they have both and variations of , this one is at least obvious. I tried to check earlier dictionaries. Not only Polish influence, actually means wild boar in Ukrainian as well. Teutsch-lateinisches und russisches Lexicon: samt denen Anfangs-Grnden der Russischen Sprache, 1731 (based on Ehrenreich Weismanns Lexikon bipartitum latino-germanicum et germanico-latinum. Elsewhere urbanism emerged in the west at Byblos, Ras Shamra, Hama. The Amorites and their congeners would appear to have followed as far as Syria before 2500 B.C. But in the Levant and Mesopotamia, aside from Sumerian, we have Semitic dialects popping up whenever writing shows up, in cities at a distance from each other, that were not subject to the same kind of pre-historic central rule as along the Nile. Songdog Conversely, the idea of the expansion of a pastoral or hunter-gatherer language group across vast agricultural lands at a time when the advantage of the horse was unknown would be surprising to me. In the Mossi-Dagomba cultural zone they are very strongly associated with chieftaincy. American Heritage Dictionary Related to the category of gender, classifier systems prototypically have to do with counting, and we can see a faint bit of it in English: five head of cattle, six pieces of furniture and related measure phrases. It will be soon; Ill try to remember to post the link here. Heres a short version. Guided by the PCA, we began by using three groups of individualspresent-day Dinka (28), ancient Chalcolithic-period individuals from Israel (25), and the~4500 B.P. Its aimed at interested intelligent laypersons. I mean, it seems to be his personal site. These are the ground-truth dates Rabin uses to calibrate his lexicostatistics. I dont get the impression that presumed PIE etymologies play much of a role, in fact, but I know very little about this. Using that many genes allows the detection of incomplete lineage sorting and simply adds more data. The Kiowa Apache werent (arent) a mixed group but a band of Apache that joined the Kiowa without abandoning their language. (There was also one on philolsophy. Unfortunately the degree of relatedness between Lojban and Chinese (highest weight, short words, consonant mergers while Lojbanizing) was 1.01: the 13th stroke of the clock. To redress the balance and give a proper perspective, we should adopt Macrocushitic for the huge group of languages now known to be related to Hausa, like Hebrew, Arabic and Egyptian. Because of its low requirements to memory and processor and traffic it was the most popular browser for African mobile phones. Of course, derivation and inflexion are creative, genitive or dative depend on what I mean, but it is I who decides what I mean and no one else (it is just that speakers creativity in these areas is recognized by grammar descriptions rather than goes against them:)). Much of the Leiden Schools work rests on interpreting *h as []. Neither looks anything more than what you might find by chance to me. Tomorrow Ill dig up the quotes from the paper I coauthored in 2020 where we managed to handle the fact that we didnt even agree on whether the species we were describing was an amphibian or an amniote. In Swadesh-list vocabulary a possible issue is that there are at least proportionally more verbs in there that are prone to full, partial or near-synonymy pull, push, throw, rub, turn, flow than nouns. The passage of time may have degraded the data beyond the point at which reasonable conclusions can be drawn any more. What methods? Maybe its just the biorxiv version, which could have been scanned from a paper copy or maybe received in Word and printed for scanning or something. Which reminds me: why Cono Sur? On the other hand, the bright orange background to his slides (with scarlet bullet points) , >>Dimmendaals belief that Songhay is definitely related to Nilotic. The first (and only) non-American cite in the OED for this sense is from a 1939 British textbook on physical geography. naukoobrzno scient-oid-ly (about somethign that can be science or not, but has appearance of science). Wait, if Bangime isnt actually related to Dogon, which of them is related to Basque and which isnt? Harold Fleming (2006) proposes that Ongota constitutes a separate branch of Afroasiatic. In most of human history though, the draw of oceanic coasts that they have over freshwater environments has not been fishing, but seal and seabird hunting. Language Miniatures visserij (maybe from older vischerij, but I have not checked), corresponding to OF pescherie. Syntax, pragmatics.. The Omani/Yemeni Arabic ayd that drasvi mentions, originally hunting, fishing, prey, game, quarry, catch, haul (cf. Indeed, thats why the papers Blench is complaining about immediately went on to try to date and locate PIE. To confuse the issue yet further, there is yet another WOV postverbal particle *n, which expresses the so-called discontinuous past.. The rRNA genes are large, universal (except in sub-cellular things like viruses), and possess both regions that can change easily (being primary structural) and regions that are very resistant to change (since they are key to the ribozyme functionality). And there is a full grammar of Agolle Kusaal by Anthony Agoswin Musah (but mine is cheaper.). By I am no Greenberg, to be deluded by such pretty baubles . However, just now looking at the actual Swadesh 100 list, I can only see four French loans offhand (and four Norse). In Berber it appears with different stem-initial consonants takaust (Ghadames), yaus (Sened, Siwa), ayaus (Medieval Tashelhiyt), qas (Nefusa). This is probably why the more common name for it nowadays is bodljikavo prase (spiky pig). The word is self-referential. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/dik%D1%8A. For example, theres no way he isnt overinterpreting the variation in plene spelling. I had to google this to confirm that Im not imagining those triple vowels. unhappy part of the world I googled for Ushari Ahmed Mahmoud mentioned by Thelwall, and It seems Sudanese governments love to arrest people named so. If you cant find any, its going to be a good bit harder to demonstrate a genetic relationship with reasonable confidence, but harder doesnt necessarily imply impossible., Lexical correspondences are much more likely than morphological to be due to borrowing, but even so that doesnt make the task hopeless at all. Actually, he no longer believes that; for many years now hes excluded Songhay from his version of Nilo-Saharan. [piscis-ask-fisk] [ikhths-uvis-jukn] [mtsya] Tocharian laks (cf. I was confusing him with Mukarovsky, who actually had a quite different erroneous idea re Songhay and Mande anyway. Dravidian. L1 Windhill Yorkshirese speaker, illiterate bobbin-doffer, taught himself to read in his teens, learnt Standard English and ended up as Professor of Comparative Philology at Oxford. @Lars, it is not connected to anything. Ethiopian, First Language Acquisition: Cross-linguistic, ). urohon; and still so in Karelian) shifted to the more common inflection type -os : -okse-. deyja frndr, ), Frh-, Mittel- Sptindogermanisch. Far Outliers I do not know what to do, but if two names co-exist, it is not necessarily a bad thing. For AntC, (1) I believe salmon were once so plentiful one did not need to look for other river fish and (2) I find it more curious that the more common lox word for salmon has no cognate in Irish with the meaning, than that the cattle-prizing Celts borrowed the latin generic word for fish, The native word icne salmon in middle Irish. @Y: Did you copy some of those dates wrong? ScriptSource Ugaritic, Hebrew dg, dag [compared to aforementioned *du- by llich-Switych] Typologically the orders Noun-Postposition, Verb-Auxiliary, and Relative Clause-Head Noun are all correlated and tend to co-occur with SOV order cross-linguistically. Population sizes within the region started diverging 1520 kya, when Levantines expanded while Arabians maintained smaller populations that derived ancestry from local hunter-gatherers. In these approaches, abstract representations emerge as secondary properties at best, and at worst, are absent entirely. Another interesting paper! Someone else could comment on this more knowledgeably, but I dont like this argument. is the paper I closest-to-remember that did it right. Mande has no grammatical gender or relevant verb flexion; Grusi languages have both, but sufficiently different from Oti-Volta that one can easily imagine an adult Grusi-speaking learner of an Oti-Volta language deciding to dispense with the details . Im fairly sure that a Bayesian phylogenetic analysis of the currently spoken Germanic languages based on Swadesh lists would show that English was basal. Rigorously , (From which it follows that the Germanic languages originated in the North Sea. We use the Chalcolithic individuals in this study because we lack genetic data from a phylogenetically adjacent reference group from Egypt, Sudan and/or South Sudan, or the Horn. I cant see what else can account for the spread of Pama-Nyungan just about 5000 years ago without, IIRC, a genetic trace. Historically, these actually are derived from three-mora sequences (Proto-WOV *n:ga hen), but synchronically they could be tidied away by regarding the final-mora prologation as a prosodic feature rather than a segment. Bantus Of Africa Are The Israelites. But I do not know if it is possible to trace its history. Thats the North American species, evidently recently introduced as described in the abstract. (Now youve got me curious. It sounds like a reasonable request (though I dont think they are obliged to do that- and maybe they already did it). If youre thinking of the beluga, which occurred in the Danube all the way to Germany before all the hydroelectric plants were built (says the German article), thats a sturgeon although sturgeons and paddlefish can hybridize, their last common ancestor lived around the same time as the last common ancestor of the placentals + marsupials on the one hand and the monotremes on the other. In the linguistic areas described above, the number and kind of shared traits vary considerably. The three best trees we could find were all very bad, all about equally bad, and each impugned by a quite different set of non-convex characters. Any statement that English morphology is not overwhelmingly Germanic would be difficult to maintain, given e.g., ablaut in noun plurals and simple past of strong verbs (also construction of simple past of weak verbs with -ed), etc. I prepared corresponding lists for each of the six source languages Chinese, English, Spanish, Hindi, Russian, Arabic, weighted in the original Lojban construction process relatively to the numbers of speakers: L1 + L2/2, where the Arabic source was MSA but total number of speakers of all colloquials were counted. *ramc people). Courtesy Glenn M. Schwartz. Id not seen that before. Would domestic animals be productive enough at that point to be a main mode of sustenance? If they had to choose a single basal node? In the domain of morphology, Miceli, Mazzucchi, Menn, and Goodglass (1983) demonstrate the importance of parametric variation. 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